其实我并不想讨论技术上的东西,我只是想说,框架虽然解放了程序员,但是这也造成了PHP开发者普遍工资较低的原因...
简化了很多操作,甚至大脑都让你少死不少细胞,造就了一批又一批的coder.当然也有不少人兴趣爱好去分析源码,学习神马的，但是 老板可不这么认为...公司的框架也不可能没事就写一个。
好吧,看起来简单并不是一件好事,很多人学了一个框架就去找工作了,刚好要人的一看 嗯 原理也都理解，框架也用的麻溜，那就来吧，只是工资...你就是个代码搬运工.极少有公司会去做框架二次开发。
我在想与其这样不如开发出一堆的网站程序原型,以后BOSS只需要招收一些美工就好了. 让PHP开发者都失业吧...笑
好了今年过年也没上来给各位同仁拜年，这年15了，祝大家新年里马到功成！
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框架……好大的一个系统工程。
CMS不就是网站程序原型么，有Wordpress,Drupal，Joomla这些世界流行的CMS各种华丽的主题，岂不是美工都不需要了。。。
CMS不就是网站程序原型么，有Wordpress,Drupal，Joomla这些世界流行的CMS各种华丽的主题，岂不是美工都不需要了。。。
是的，美工的工作现在也少了好多..但是美工的工作太直观而不像程序可以雷同，而且别人还看不到，看到了未必能看懂，所以美工是必不可少的。
前排 接分
php开源的框架 可不少 只要学习下基本的都会用了 门槛低了 工资也低了
还是看使用中的二次开发力度吧。简单的应用确实门槛很低。
只要后期程序开发维护都可以，框架都是浮云。
框架不适合初学者使用
大部分PHP程序员只需要懂得如何写控制器就能找到一份很好的工作，所以乐此不疲！
首先祝大家新年里马到功成！
有开发框架的能力后的PHP程序员必然具备了很多能力。我现在也只要求我有对框架重构的能力。
就是啊，对于新手，框架根本都不知道怎么入手啊。。。。
个人认为，初学者一定要去自己敲代码，不能基础没打好，直接上手框架，那样以后反而更容易产生误解，框架固然简单，但更容易把思维固定，so...
目测自己毁了已经
框架是方便开发的，不知道功能如何实现写出来的代码一样的很稀烂，它只是组织好了MVC几个层，其他东西还是要去自己写的啊
框架不是那么简单就能看透的……
我人为框架只是较好的组织了代码而已
其实还是逻辑问题，多思考多想。。框架只是一种工具。。小弟浅见。各位坛友新年快乐。
先到如今~~不会因为有了框架的出现，就会失去php减少对编程人员的需求，随着对php人员的招聘稀少，以后php的前景还是很大的，就像刚开始的js一样~~~
不能认同这个观点。
框架只是设定好了一种处理逻辑吧...coder按这个思路去写代码就O了..
想起第一年参加工作的时候 公司用的是zend框架 真心云里雾里弄不懂
后来换了第二份工作 抛开框架重新写 感觉豁然开朗 舒服多了
然后现在又开始使用框架了,开始渐渐能体会到框架的好处
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以上的经历让我学会了用框架 成功步入低工资水准的低端PHP程序员行列....
不知道将来会否有所改善.
框架的确有他的好处，特别是团队开发的时候，虽然会有一定的效率损耗，但是相对来说在开发上的被迫协同是可以弥补的,接下来打算摸摸Yii的精华,然后再权衡是否需要再去造个轮子....
哎，说起来都是泪呀。
可以学习框架的底层代码也是不错滴
我不认为会皮毛框架造成大部分程序员失业. 我自己就在学YII玩. 自用个把月感受如何.
不是会用个控制器就是精通框架.我相信很多人连CComponent类都没看过.根本不知道底层的实现逻辑.
行为和事件更一无所知.哪些核心CORE会加载更不知道.只停留在用路由层的?丝.工资能有多高?
到时候底层想加个自己的东西,他们就抓瞎了.这样的人,能说他会用框架吗? 上次面试个达内培训出来的,4个月的时间写上会使用YII框架.你敢招他用吗?
学习框架是需要长期坚持的
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